Does a Pie Need a Bottom? Mary Berry Has Thoughts... (2024)

The 'Britain's Best Home Cook' judge has yet another controversial pastry opinion.

Updated on May 18, 2018

Does a Pie Need a Bottom? Mary Berry Has Thoughts... (1)

Mary Berry is a delight. So delightful, in fact, that her only major run-in with the law involved trying to bring baking supplies through U.S. customs. Oh, Mary! Is there any limit to your perfection? Apparently, yes, according to Britain's Best Home Cook viewers on Twitter. Berry is making waves with her upended definition of what most people consider a pie.

On last night's episode of the currently-airing series—which sees amateur cooks vying for the title of Britain's Best Home Cook,—it was pie week. The contestants were tasked with creating their own version of the perfect pie while Berry, co-host Claudia Winkleman, and co-judges Dan Doherty (formerly of London's Duck & Waffle) and Chris Bavin discussed their own preferred pastries. According to Metro (the show isn't airing in the U.S. so we'll have to take their word), Berry said, "I love chicken pie with bacon in it," adding, "and I wouldn't put pastry underneath, absolutely."

Doherty took a risk and confronted the matriarch of British TV cookery head-on. Well, nearly. "I'm very cautious of disagreeing with you." Doherty said. "However I think for a pie to be a pie, it needs a base otherwise it's a stew with a hat on."

With that amusing image in mind, some viewers of the show took to Twitter to share in Doherty's point of view.

Okay, but by calling out Shephard's Pie with "pie" right in the name, aren't we admitting it's a pie? According to Oxford English Dictionaries, a pie is defined as "a baked dish of fruit, or meat and vegetables, typically with a top and base of pastry." Merriam-Webster concurs with its first definition — "a meat dish baked with biscuit or pastry crust"—but its second definition provides the most leeway for Berry to, indeed, be in the right on this one: "A dessert consisting of a filling (as of fruit or custard) in a pastry shell or topped with pastry or both."

Try some of our sweet and savory pies with or without bottoms. We won't judge.

Berry is no stranger to controversial culinary opinions. As the Great British Bake Off has brought the TV presenter more fans, it's also placed her under more scrutiny for her recipe additions and pastry pronunciations. Previously Berry caught flack when her spaghetti bolognese recipe called for, horror of horrors, cream to thicken up the sauce and white (not red) wine to flavor it. Another recent BBHC episode saw Berry taking a stand on whether scone rhymes with "cone" or "gone." And her former home of GBBO was not immune to its own internet outrage when viewers squabbled over what constitutes a teacake.

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FAQs

What is a pie without a base? ›

Pies that have a pastry lid - but not pastry sides and bottom - are known as 'pot pies' and many people believe they aren't actually real pies at all.

Does a pie need a hole? ›

Why do you need to cut a hole in a pie lid? Always cut a small air vent in the pastry lid before cooking to allow steam to escape and stop leakage. You could use a special pie funnel if you have one.

Does a pie need a crust? ›

You need a par-baked or fully baked crust if you're making quiche, no-bake pie, custard pie, cream pie, pudding pie, or simply want an extra-crisp pie crust. If you're making a pie that doesn't require a baked filling, you still need a baked crust.

Does a pie have to have a bottom? ›

The term Pie is used loosely, 'Custard Pie' is custard with a pastry base, sides and no lid. Some eateries advertise pie, but it is a bowl of filling with just a lid. A Pie has pastry base, sides and most importantly - a lid. Without a lid it is a 'Flan' or a 'Tart' depending on the content being savoury or sweet.

Do meat pies have a bottom crust? ›

Roll out 2 pie crusts. One should be slightly larger than the other, this will be your bottom crust. Meat Filling: Heat the oil in a large pot.

Should you put holes in bottom of pie crust? ›

Poking holes allows steam to escape

If you've ever forgotten to poke the bottom of the crust, you may have noticed that your pie came out looking uneven. The reason for this, as The Spruce Eats explains, is that unless you create a place for the steam to escape, it'll get trapped within the dough.

Do you need to blind bake a pie bottom? ›

When Do You Need To Blind Bake a Crust? There are two times when blind baking is necessary: When we're making a custard pie or when the pie filling is unbaked. With a custard pie, like a pumpkin pie, the moisture in the filling can make the crust soggy before it has time to actually bake.

Why put a hole in a pie? ›

With docking, the holes allow steam to escape, so the crust should stay flat against the baking dish when it isn't held down by pie weights or a filling. Otherwise the crust can puff up, not only impacting appearance but also leaving you with less space for whatever filling you have planned.

What is a pie with just a lid called? ›

Anything other than those perfectly enclosed (the odd leaky hole is permissible) creations is in fact, a pot pie. Yes, it sounds awfully American and it's an awkward phrasing but 'pot pie' is easier than saying 'casserole with a pastry lid'. You know where you're at with a pot pie.

Do you need to cook the bottom of the pie crust first? ›

You do not need to pre-bake a pie crust for an apple pie or any baked fruit pie really, but we do freeze the dough to help it stay put. Pre-baking the pie crust is only required when making a custard pie OR when making a fresh fruit pie.

Should you prebake the bottom crust of blueberry pie? ›

Pre baking your pie crust is the easiest way to guarantee a crispy pie crust with no soggy bottoms. Yes, even underneath a juicy fruit or custardy cream filling!

What are the 4 types of pies? ›

There are four types of pies: cream, fruit, custard, and savory. A pie that contains cooked meat, poultry, seafood, or vegetables in a thick sauce. Examples: Pot pies, Quiche, and Sheppard pie. Made by cooking baking uncooked along with crust.

What defines a pie as a pie? ›

Pie is defined as a baked food in a pastry-lined pan or dish that has a fruit, meat, pudding, or other filling, and it often also has a pastry crust on top.

Can I make a pie without a pie pan? ›

Cast iron skillets have been one of my preferred pie plate substitutes for many years. In addition to being handy and naturally nonstick, cast iron retains and evenly distributes heat—two important features for achieving a crisp, evenly baked crust.

Why is a cottage pie called a pie? ›

Simply put, after making a weekend roast, unused meat was repurposed into a pie using affordable potatoes as a crust. This frugal, albeit clever, meal suggests the name “cottage pie” referred to the consumers of the dish—poor Irish peasants (remember, they lived in cottages).

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